From: "Ram Dayal" ram.dayal.deva@photo-lab....
To: AM-GLOBAL
Subject: Re: About That Famous Bogus Quote #3
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:34:58 +0000
Baba
== RE: ABOUT THAT FAMOUS BOGUS QUOTE #3 ==
(Note: This is the third letter in this series. Links to the first two letters on this topic are appended below. - Eds)
Namaskar
"When Mrs Indhira Gandhi lost power and the new government came into power then many, many disciples came to see Baba - thousands went to see Him. Baba would say something and margiis used to come back happy. With good intentions, they would write and publish whatever they they could remember and make that into leaflets and magazine articles. In this way, all kinds of stories and inauthentic accounts were printed. No doubt they saw Baba and certainly Baba told them something, but what they remembered and wrote down hours later is not an accurate depiction of what Baba spoke. That is the main issue and that is what happened with this passage from the Supreme Expression book."
Yes, I remember well those days when we could visit Baba in jail. Here are some of the details which I recall - and indeed it was impossible to note down or remember exactly what Baba said - and because of His fasting sometimes He did not speak at all and instead just wrote on one simple, small piece of slate.
So here is how it went...
WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO VISIT BABA THOSE DAYS IN JAIL
When margiis or workers would arrive at the jail to visit Baba, then, first of all, they were met and searched by a plain-clothes policeman. At that point, any visitors for Baba would have to leave behind any recording devices, pens, paper, and various other things. All those types of items were held by officials at the gate or the reception area of the jail. It was only after totally emptying your pockets and bags did the jail officials allow you to enter the facility to visit Baba.
Then once with Baba, the plain clothes policeman would remain just 4 feet away - very close. If you were fortunate to arrive on a day when Baba was talking, then His talk was extremely quiet - like a whisper. That was because He was extremely weak from undergoing that epic fast; and, because the policeman was close by and Baba did not want the policeman to hear what He was saying. Thus to hear Baba, you would have to go very close to Him and turn your head so your ear was lined up with His mouth. It was like He was just whispering in your ear - and it was very difficult to decipher all His words. Even if one could hear, one may have misunderstood the idea that Baba wished to convey. So there were multiple issues involved.
Then of course, on many occasions, Baba was not speaking at all. He was just too weak. In that case He would just give hand signals or use chalk and a small piece of slate. Really the slate was only big enough to write 1 or 2 words. Obviously then, His communication under such circumstances was extremely limited.
So there was just no way to receive a full discourses or even a short talk or teaching from Baba while He was in jail. The communication was extremely limited for all the aforesaid reasons.
Supposing one did arrive on a day when Baba spoke in greater length and in a more full voice - which rarely, if ever, happened - but supposing it did, then there was one more hurdle. The human mind is simply incapable of recounting each and every word of a sentence, let alone a paragraph or more. It is impossible. Remember, no pen or paper was available, so one would have had to perfectly memorize whatever Baba spoke and then keep that in mind until one could write it down. Forget about a page or a paragraph, humans could hardly remember even one sentence properly. So it was a struggle.
That is why no printed article based on jail visitations are official discourses or considered verified accounts. With their zeal and love, margiis tried hard, but those accounts are just not accurate. That is why the book - Supreme Expression I - is not at all credible nor accepted by our Publications Dept as legitimate.
I hope this helps people understand why the merge-in-mission quote is bogus and unsubstantiated.
Namaskar,
Ram Dayal
To: AM-GLOBAL
Subject: Re: About That Famous Bogus Quote #3
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:34:58 +0000
Baba
== RE: ABOUT THAT FAMOUS BOGUS QUOTE #3 ==
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Part 3 ~
(Note: This is the third letter in this series. Links to the first two letters on this topic are appended below. - Eds)
Namaskar
"When Mrs Indhira Gandhi lost power and the new government came into power then many, many disciples came to see Baba - thousands went to see Him. Baba would say something and margiis used to come back happy. With good intentions, they would write and publish whatever they they could remember and make that into leaflets and magazine articles. In this way, all kinds of stories and inauthentic accounts were printed. No doubt they saw Baba and certainly Baba told them something, but what they remembered and wrote down hours later is not an accurate depiction of what Baba spoke. That is the main issue and that is what happened with this passage from the Supreme Expression book."
Yes, I remember well those days when we could visit Baba in jail. Here are some of the details which I recall - and indeed it was impossible to note down or remember exactly what Baba said - and because of His fasting sometimes He did not speak at all and instead just wrote on one simple, small piece of slate.
So here is how it went...
WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO VISIT BABA THOSE DAYS IN JAIL
When margiis or workers would arrive at the jail to visit Baba, then, first of all, they were met and searched by a plain-clothes policeman. At that point, any visitors for Baba would have to leave behind any recording devices, pens, paper, and various other things. All those types of items were held by officials at the gate or the reception area of the jail. It was only after totally emptying your pockets and bags did the jail officials allow you to enter the facility to visit Baba.
Then once with Baba, the plain clothes policeman would remain just 4 feet away - very close. If you were fortunate to arrive on a day when Baba was talking, then His talk was extremely quiet - like a whisper. That was because He was extremely weak from undergoing that epic fast; and, because the policeman was close by and Baba did not want the policeman to hear what He was saying. Thus to hear Baba, you would have to go very close to Him and turn your head so your ear was lined up with His mouth. It was like He was just whispering in your ear - and it was very difficult to decipher all His words. Even if one could hear, one may have misunderstood the idea that Baba wished to convey. So there were multiple issues involved.
Then of course, on many occasions, Baba was not speaking at all. He was just too weak. In that case He would just give hand signals or use chalk and a small piece of slate. Really the slate was only big enough to write 1 or 2 words. Obviously then, His communication under such circumstances was extremely limited.
So there was just no way to receive a full discourses or even a short talk or teaching from Baba while He was in jail. The communication was extremely limited for all the aforesaid reasons.
Supposing one did arrive on a day when Baba spoke in greater length and in a more full voice - which rarely, if ever, happened - but supposing it did, then there was one more hurdle. The human mind is simply incapable of recounting each and every word of a sentence, let alone a paragraph or more. It is impossible. Remember, no pen or paper was available, so one would have had to perfectly memorize whatever Baba spoke and then keep that in mind until one could write it down. Forget about a page or a paragraph, humans could hardly remember even one sentence properly. So it was a struggle.
That is why no printed article based on jail visitations are official discourses or considered verified accounts. With their zeal and love, margiis tried hard, but those accounts are just not accurate. That is why the book - Supreme Expression I - is not at all credible nor accepted by our Publications Dept as legitimate.
I hope this helps people understand why the merge-in-mission quote is bogus and unsubstantiated.
Namaskar,
Ram Dayal
Note 1: LINKS TO EARLIER LETTERS ON
THIS TOPIC
#1: http://www.am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/09/about-that-famous-bogus-quote.html
#2: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/09/re-about-that-famous-bogus-quote-2.html
#1: http://www.am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/09/about-that-famous-bogus-quote.html
#2: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/09/re-about-that-famous-bogus-quote-2.html
PRABHAT SAMGIITA
"Kenoi va' ele, dola' diye gele, na' bale gele cale, phele
a'ma'y..."
(PS 1995)
Purport:
Baba, You have been gone so long. Why did You come and stir my heart only to then go away without saying a word - thereby leaving me all alone. Baba, neither do You have any love for me, nor do You understand the aching pain of my heart. Baba, after coming and reciting one fairy tale, where did You go. Baba, I want You to remain here with me.
Baba, amongst all the dear ones, You are my Dearmost. Why then do You not reside eternally in my heart. Baba, You are my Dearmost and Innermost, then how can You justify going so far away from me. Is it proper to leave me isolated and all alone. Please tell me.
Baba, You are so dear to me, no matter what I will never forget You; Baba, I will never leave You. Not at any cost will I ever wipe You away from my mental plate - from the memories of my mind. That I will never do. Baba, even if You do not desire to remain with me - even if You want to hide - I shall always keep You in the golden casket of my heart.
Baba, You are eternally mine; my everything is surrendered at Your lotus feet...
Purport:
Baba, You have been gone so long. Why did You come and stir my heart only to then go away without saying a word - thereby leaving me all alone. Baba, neither do You have any love for me, nor do You understand the aching pain of my heart. Baba, after coming and reciting one fairy tale, where did You go. Baba, I want You to remain here with me.
Baba, amongst all the dear ones, You are my Dearmost. Why then do You not reside eternally in my heart. Baba, You are my Dearmost and Innermost, then how can You justify going so far away from me. Is it proper to leave me isolated and all alone. Please tell me.
Baba, You are so dear to me, no matter what I will never forget You; Baba, I will never leave You. Not at any cost will I ever wipe You away from my mental plate - from the memories of my mind. That I will never do. Baba, even if You do not desire to remain with me - even if You want to hide - I shall always keep You in the golden casket of my heart.
Baba, You are eternally mine; my everything is surrendered at Your lotus feet...
