Mumbai Meeting: Clash, Shouting, & Abuse

To: AM-GLOBAL From: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2006 14:28:41 Subject: Mumbai Meeting: Clash, Shouting, & Abuse Baba

== MUMBAI MEETING: CLASH, SHOUTING, & ABUSE ==

Namaskar, Here is a report about the recent global meeting in Ailbag (near Mumbai) held 18-19-20 of November 2008.

WHERE, WHO, WHAT

1) The meeting of 3rd front and Kolkata B group started on 18th of the Nov. and finished on 20th of Nov. Meeting was held at Alibag near Mumbai in India in the well-managed, beautiful, luxurious farmhouse of Mr. Agarawaljii of Mumbai. 2) About 50 WTs and some margiis were present there. Margiis were not there to support any dada or group. Most of the margiis were there to establish unity of the organisation. 3) The main motive of the meeting was to unite so-called unity group and Kolkata B group. Senior strategic margiis thought that if Kolkata and 3rd front unite then Ranchi administration will become smaller and will have less strength than this other "united" group. And then unity will be easier.

THE MAIN ISSUE: 'WE DO NOT WANT UNITY'

4) On 18th morning, the meetings started with discussion about "unity action plan." Many suggestions came of which two are highly important. The first and main plan was to make one united "Global Interim central body" with senior members of both Kolkata and so-called unity group. Margiis and many workers supported this idea but Kolkata B group dadas (Kalyaneshvara'nanda, Dhayanesha'nanda, Bhavesha'nanda, Rtbodha'nanda)) strongly opposed and condemned this idea. They mercilessly kicked the idea of unity of one united organisation. They openly told, "Kolkata administration would never support or accept total unity ideas, legal unity or one united administration." After this announcement of disunity by Kalyaneshvara'nanda, all the margiis were shocked. Between disturbances and opposition from margiis, Kolkata dadas also told that they would never make one central body. They also told that they would never share power with unity group people. Dhaya'nesha'nanda of B group invented his own fallacy or lame excuse that actually this unity plan is nonsense and they (Kolkata group) are not so stupid so they would ever get betrayed again by unity group people. Wherein they came together only to see B group get kicked out. Dha'nesha'nanda told that Kolkata people will never lose power again. They will never share power with unity group.

KOLKATA WANTS SEPARATE EVERYTHING

5) Kolkata administration gave their plan that Kolkata and unity group will be separate administrations. They put forth their crude theory that they will have their separate CC, ACB, etc. And from both administrations on every level there will be interaction committees which will discuss about get-togethers and united social functions. But legally and practically on administrative or political levels there will be not unity, rather both groups will have their separate existence and administrations. B group told that we don't want unity, we want co-ordinated co-operation with unity group. Actually B group just wants a little support of unity group to make inroads margiis. After the murder of Dada Abhiprema'nandajii, B group became totally untouchable in the eyes of margiis all over world. B group is co-operating a little with unity group now just to become touchable.They have their ulterior agenda to take revenge against unity group leaders. B group dadas have their inner agenda that once they get direct support of Hindi area margiis, then they (B group) will throw unity group people out like flies off milk. That's why B group is not agreeing on this point of unity, rather they are giving pressure on collective functions, seminars, entrance in each others Ashrams etc. When B group have grip on common people then naturally B group will capture the area. EC wanted to merge in order to access Bengali areas and B group did not want to share power but rather extend their power and gradually capture other areas like the East India Company did.

UNITY NOT POSSIBLE BY GROUPISTS

6) After all this it was clear that there will be not unity between the "unity" group led by Parmeshvara'nanda, Vandana'nanda, and Kolkata / B group. In the 2nd half of first day meeting it was clear that unity among these factional groupist leaders was impossible. The overall situation was bitter. Nobody was feeling comfortable. Margiis were sad. They were telling that they were not thinking that these senior dadas are such like Satan.

ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AND YELLING

7) Just after 2 hours of meetings, then hot discussions, shouting, using abusive language was common. Group leaders were staying in separate rooms with their own group partners. They were not talking with other group members. Many margiis and unity group leaders gave harsh speeches against Kolkata administration. Then Kolkata people left the meeting hall and went to their rooms. Night time they were not ready to take food. After lots of buttering by the organisers, then 3 dadas from Kolkata took food but Rtbodha'nanda did not take food there. He took Murhi (Puffed rice). He told that he will eat what he has brought from Bengal. 8) Once when Bhavesha'nanda was giving a speech, then he started telling something against Goenkajii. Goenkajii stood up and started shouting against Bhavesha'nanda in the middle of speech. This type of shouting and abusive language etc was common. So there was a chaos in the meeting on the first day even. Then the other two days there was not serious discussion about unity. Just everybody was feeling they should talk about something else. Instead of discussing the problem of factionalism and disunity in centre, they talked about development of ladies and youths and unity of margiis. Margiis were telling that they came here after leaving their home and work, spending money and these dadas are worshiping disunity. Many margiis were thinking that this meeting was just waste of time and money.

FACTIONS IGNORE POINT OF IDEOLOGY

9) Some senior margiis told that to get unity in the organisation first we should destroy causes behind disunity. One margii told that if "Truth will be one then organisation will be one." He showed 5 Carya'carya of difference versions. Margiis supported Carya'carya of before 1990. They told clearly that CC can't be changed or revised. One very senior margii told that "Revision of the Ideology (Scripture) will create division of the organisation". So it should be proper. But neither B group nor unity group was agreed on these ideological issues. Both groups avoided these points.

BABA'S BLESSING

These were the main aspects of the meeting. Other small points will be discussed in future mailings. By Baba's grace, true margiis and wts know that unity can only be made based on ideology, not on any groupist compromise. By not following Baba's below teachings then we will witness a mess of group interests and clash, as happened at the Mumbai / Alibag. Baba says, "Where there is no propagation of satya, people indulge in individual selfishness or group selfishness. The aim or object there is not enlivened with the idea of collective welfare. The only object of the party concerned is how to establish oneself in this material world by means of the use of well-knit language and cunningness." (Tattvik Diipika, part 2) Baba says, "Never do anything only to serve the interest of the party [group]. Whatever you do should be for the benefit of the mass, for the welfare of the people." (Tattvik Diipika, part 2) Namaskar, Parashram

Publications Knows Many Ways to Confuse People

From: "Daniel Guttirez" To: am-global@earthlink.net Subject: Publications Knows Many Ways to Confuse People Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:27:53 +0000 Baba "Tumi bhuliya' giya'cho a'ma're..." (P.S. 4102) Purport: Baba, You always hold me in Your heart. That is why it is so painful that now You have forgotten me. All my efforts are going in vain: Singing Prabhat Samgiita according to the tune and melody, crying in yearning for You and looking towards the path of Your arrival, and also trying to hold You in my ideation, meditation, and dhyana. All these efforts are getting wasted. Because You have forgotten me. That is why You are not paying any heed to my efforts. O' Prabhu, by Your grace I never forget You. Because Your introduction is my introduction, then how I can forget You. By Your wee-bit of grace all the time-- every moment-- I am always floating. My whole existence is depending upon Your karuna, divine compassion. Baba, age after age-- what type of liila is this that are You are playing with this meagre entity like myself. In Your divine liila my role is to always get neglected by You. This has been going on since ages; You never cared about me. Baba, You do not love me. Baba, all the time, in the dawn, morning, midday, evening, You go on playing hide and seek with me. Why this type of divine play. Baba please come in my heart...

== PUBLICATIONS KNOWS MANY WAYS TO CONFUSE PEOPLE ==

Namaskar, With the recent printing of Ananda Vacanamrtam Part 11-12 (2008), it is evident that there are a number of ways that the Tiljala Publications Dept is trying to confuse people. Let's first address the tactics used in AV-12 and then focus on AV-11. (Note: For those who may not be aware, these two volumes (AV-11 & AV-12) are part and parcel of the very same book, i.e. the same publication. They have the same cover, the same binding, and the same back.)

AV-12 IS A TRANSCRIPTION NOT A TRANSLATION

Ananda Vacanamrtam part 12 (2008) contains discourses which Baba graciously delivered during His European tour. Hence, those discourses were originally given in English. To publish an English edition of those discourses, as was done in AV-12 (2008), then absolutely no translation work is involved. Zero. It is purely the matter of transcription: Simply type what Baba has spoken and the book is complete and correct. Unfortunately, the English discourses of AV-12 are laced with thousand and thousands of errors:

http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/11/art-of-sarvatmananda.html

http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/11/art-of-sarvatmananda-discourse.html

http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/10/re-proof-of-distortion-in-new-book-av.html http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-of-distortion-in-new-book-av-11.html http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/09/proof-of-hypocrisy.html

And when anyone raises any of these errors with those Publications personnel, then they give their own false logic and reasoning. Their lengthy sermon goes something like this: 'You see, we are translating the discourses of Parama Purusa. How can a human being do such things. To do such translations takes immense talent, language skills, precision, and subtlety of mind. Blah, blah, blah; blah, blah, blah.' What they totally forget to mention and fail to understand, is that printing an English edition of AV-12 needs no translation work at all. Zero. All those discourses have been spoken by Baba in English. All that is needed then is to faithfully type what Baba has spoken. There is no subtlety of translation involved; indeed there is no brain power involved. Just type what Baba spoke-- then the book will be proper. But even this much could not be done by Tiljala Publications as there are huge, gaping holes, missing text, wrong words, missed phrasing, and the like on each and every page. Every page, every paragraph, and nearly every line. There are thousands and thousands of careless and obvious errors. Yet when any concerned margii raises such matters with Tiljala Publications, then one of their cohorts like Kirit (California, USA) comes forward and issues his sermon about the delicate and sensitive nature of properly translating AM books. And he'll say something like, 'How can a human being truly translate the Lord's discourses. This will take years and generations. No one on the planet now can do such work.' This is the type of reply one will receive from Kirit. Yet again, in AV-12, there is no question of having to do even one syllable of translation. The discourses were given in English. It is just a matter of transcription. Type what Baba spoke and the book is ready for publication. And when Tiljala has all those original cassettes, then it is not at all a difficult job. Any typist off the street can do the job. But Kirit describes the task as being something gargantuan that cannot be attempted or done by any living, breathing human being. And he and his pals just deliberately try to confuse the mass of margiis about the great sensitivity, if not impossibility, of their so-called translation work. Indeed it seems that those helpers like Kirit, who are affiliated with the Tiljala Publications team, have become blind and lost their sense of rationality. Otherwise why is it so difficult for them to see the light of day on this issue. AV-12 is just a matter of transcription, not translation. Ultimately it is an easy solution: Baba spoke in English, type what He spoke, then print it. Then the English edition of AV-12 will be complete and proper.

KEEPING QUIET MEANS ACCEPTING THOSE MISTAKES FOREVER

The real danger is that once all those gross errors and mistakes get incorporated into a printed volume, like AV 11-12 (2008), then those mistakes get passed down from one generation to the next. This is the way so many books and scriptures have been distorted in the past, throughout the human history. Just see what happened with Lord Shiva and Lord Krsna's teachings. So keeping quiet about AV-12 means accepting those errors for hundreds of years. Because the next volume will not be printed for 25 more years and by that time readers will have forgotten about the mistakes, and again the same type of garbage edition will be published. And it will go on and on like this. Our AM books will be wrong from one generation to the next. So distinct action is needed to ensure that this problem is finished and solved once and for all. We must continue to raise the matter that AV-12 should be printed "as is". Just accurately transcribe what Baba has spoken and the English edition of AV-12 will be complete. Tragically, up till now the Tiljala Publications team could not do this and when questioned about it they resort to all kinds of silly justifications about their so-called art of translation.

DOGMATIC PHOTOS

Now let's switch the discussion to AV-11, which is composed of Bengali discourses. Some days back, a letter was posted about the use of glossy photos of dogmatic idols in the newly published, Ananda Vacanamratm part 11 (2008).

http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-way-of-bangalisation.html

That letter raised two main points: (1) That certain leaders will do anything and everything for their agenda of the Bangalistion of AM, including littering our AM publications with photos of dogmatic idols exclusively from Bengal, and no other place. (2) By putting photos of dogmatic idols in our dharmic AM books, the publishers are goading people's minds toward the crude practice of idol worship. So just as we do not show pictures of alcohol and cocaine in books where Baba is talking about the dangers of intoxicants, similarly we should not highlight idol worship in discourses where Baba is tearing down that dogmatic practice. Best is then not to have any photos of religious idols in our AM books. Here are some of Baba's key teachings about this second point.

MUST NOT DIVERT TOWARD DOGMAS

The whole entire globe has been running after religious dogmas like idol worship for centuries if not thousands of years. Each and every tradition, each and every country has such a history of chasing one religious dogma or another. People are accustomed to this as it is an easy or cheap way to pray. That is why in our AM books, it is essential that we not highlight those very dogmas we are trying to draw the world away from. Rather we should highlight asanas, sadhana, kaoshikii, or kiirtan in our photos, not dogmatic idol worship. In a phrase we should not replicate the very dogmatic environment in which they are stuck, but rather introduce a new, more sentient, way of living. Baba says, "The best psychological cure for addicts is to put them in an environment where they will be unable to think of their object of addiction for any length of time. To proclaim, “Don’t do this, it’s bad,” is futile, for it is a negative approach. If you say, “Don’t drink wine”, you are still injecting the concept of wine into the alcoholic’s mind, thus making it impossible for him to forget it and kick his bad habits. You are giving alcohol negative publicity, and it again becomes his mental object. Thus whenever he gets the opportunity he will certainly drink it again. And it may be that this negative approach encourages the alcoholic to become even more addicted. It is a defective approach." (APH-6) The same phenomenon is occurring by placing dogmatic idols in our AM books. Just as alcoholics will be drawn toward alcohol when they are reminded of it, similarly the hundreds of millions of idol worshipers on this earth will revert back to that dogmatic practice if it is highlighted in our books.

MUST DIVERT THE MIND TOWARD SENTIENT PURSUITS

Here Baba guides us how the mind should be goaded toward sentient practices. Hence instead of big, glossy photos of idol worship, pictures (if any) in our AM books should be of dharmic, tantric practices like: Sadhana, kiirtan, tandava, etc. Baba says, "These days the sign “No smoking please” is placed in many public places, but it will not reduce the amount of smoking. If society wants people to stop smoking, its approach should be to divert the smoker’s mind to other objects. A chain smoker should be encouraged to get involved in various pursuits such as music, dance, songs, culture of fine arts, etc., for if the mind remains engaged in these things it will forget its object of addiction. But the person who thinks, “I’ll stop drinking wine the day after tomorrow – no, let me see, why not tomorrow” can never kick the habit, for wine remains the mental object. The mind will try to materialize whatever it thinks about in the external world – this is its nature." (APH-6) So just as a no smoking sign will remind the person about cigarettes, similarly pictures of idol worship in AV-11 will just plunge the reader into that cheap form of worship. That is why Baba's guideline is to divert the mind toward higher, dharmic ideals. Then one will easily be able to overcome their negative habits and desires. Here Baba shows how this exact theory works in the spiritual sphere. Baba says, "The same thing also happens in the spiritual sphere. In the physical sphere the mind may run after rasagolla', a cup of tea, or a boy’s shirt; and in the psychic sphere after mother’s words. In the spiritual sphere, if the mind is withdrawn from all such objects and directed to Parama Purus'a, it will eventually become one with Him. But it will have to take a firm decision: “I will think only of Parama Purus'a, and not any of the thousands of other objects.” So the mind must be withdrawn from all objects and directed towards Parama Purus'a In this process, and after some time, it will become one with Parama Purus'a. At that stage it will cherish no further desire for rasogollas, tea, fashionable shirts, or the mother’s words. Parama Purus'a alone will be the greatest object of happiness." (APH-6) Just as we are to guide the mind towards Parama Purusa when doing sadhana, the pictures in our AM books should guide the mind toward the dharma of AM, and not any dogmatic form of idol worship.

BABA'S BLESSING

By Baba's grace together we will be able to clean up our AM Publications. To make AV 11-12 proper, the dogmatic pictures of idol worship must be removed immediately from the book; and the English discourses must be properly transcribed, and not done in a sloppy manner with the excuse given that make a good translation can take hundreds of years. It is just plain foolishness & dangerous to allow such errors to continue. We must not allow Publications to employ their tactics and cheap agendas to confuse readers. Now is the time when all these things should be corrected and the air cleaned. Baba says, "The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless." (NSS, Disc: 14) Namaskar, Dinesh

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Baba says, "Tandava: As long as a dancer remains above the ground, he derives much benefit; when he touches the ground, then those benefits are assimilated by the body. That is why in the tandava dance there is much jumping, because jumping requires the practitioner to remain off the ground for a fairly long period of time." (NSS, p. 23)

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