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Bogus Logic

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:46:37 -0000 Subject: Bogus Logic To: am-global@earthlink.net From: Satiish K Bhatia" Baba "Pratham jiivane, tumi a'so niko, ta'r la'gi, mane kono klesh na'i..." (PS 379) Purport: Baba, You did not come close to me in the dawn of my life; but I do not have any agony in my mind about why You did not bring me under Your shelter that time-- why You did not come close to me and become very intimate. For that I do not have any mental anguish or suffering. But I do have repentance in my heart for why I did not search You that time. That is why my heart is burning and crying all the time. The fault is mine that in my early years I did not search You. For that I have deep remorse. Baba, that time You were so close to me-- living side by side, always. Even then I did not call You or try to search for You by learning sadhana. I did not care about that back then. Just my days and nights passed in vain, doing various useless pursuits that time in the early stage of my life. Yet, now in the twilight of my life, the more those early remembrances sprout in mind, the more pain I feel. Baba, by Your grace everyone comes onto this earth for a short span of time, for a calculated period. And there are so many works to do. Yet fruitlessly people waste their time blaming God for their misfortunes-- but there is no benefit in this. Because everyone is facing their own samskara. When they remove the umbrella of vanity, they will realise that Your grace is showering eternally. Baba, You are ever gracious; what You do is best for me. My only desire is to always remain under Your shelter...
== BOGUS LOGIC ==
Namaskar, People often think that if they have logic on their side - then everything is well and fine. Then they feel that their stance is justified and correct. However, this needs our special consideration.
EVERYBODY HAS THEIR LOGIC
The Sanskrit word "yukti" means logic. The root "yuj" means to unite. And when one unites themselves with a particular thought process, that is their logic. However, such logic can be right or wrong. Because, everyone has their logic - even those on opposite sides of the same issue. For instance, pro-choice advocates and anti-abortion activists both have their logic. Pro-choice'ers say that a woman has a right to make a decision about her body and that there is no loss of human life whereas right to lifers argue that one cannot kill a human life yet abortion does just that. So both sides have their own logic - and the debate roars ahead in that way. Another hot topic is gay marriage. Those for it proclaim that every human being has the right to marry while those opposed say that marriage is to be done only between a man and a woman. Here again, both sides have their logic. Likewise, politicians "on opposite sides of the aisle" have their own logic about issues from health care to the economy. Meat eaters and vegetarians have their logic. Convicted criminals and court justices both have their logic. Everybody has their logic. In the aforementioned cases, both parties are not correct. One may be correct or neither may be correct. It depends. Yet both have their favoured logic on the very same issue. Here the point is that logic can lead one to the wrong answer. Period. So we have to be careful - logic itself is not to be trusted 100% - we must ensure that our quest for truth goes beyond simple logic.
SAME PROBLEM IN AMPS
At present we have similar issues in AMPS. There are topics on the table for review, and various parties have their logic. So on any given issue - court cases, land disputes, book rights etc - each of the groups has their chosen logic. They all have their ground to stand on, claiming their view or logic to be correct. To escape this predicament - to follow the path of dharma - we have to then go beyond just plain logic.
A CASE IN POINT: MAHAPRAYAN
The main problem is that logic can be formulated around any group, party, or personal interest. Let's take the case of mahaprayan. If we were to walk into the Tiljala campus, then they can give all kinds of logic as to the importance of mahaprayan. Because their desire is to earn money, make Kolkata the epicenter of AMPS life, enhance their group prestige etc, for all these reasons and more, they have huge interest in making mahaprayan a success. They may even say that Baba is gone because we do not see Him with our crude eyes anymore. So they have all kinds of logic and more about this particular point is addressed in the next subheading. Yet we all know mahaprayan to be a dogma. Such is the problem with logic. Thus we need to ensure that logic is not just based on private interests, but rather represents universal welfare and spiritual values, i.e. sarva jana hitaya.Then that logic will lead to the proper answer, otherwise not. Then it will just be bogus logic, nothing more. For instance, Baba Himself has said that: 1) Parama Purusa is everywhere and in everything; Baba says, 'There is no place which is inaccessible to Him. If a person is at a particular place and has to move to some other place, he will have to travel. But the Lord is everywhere, and He in reality does not have to move. In other words, He has so many feet that He is able to reach any place and be available at all places at all times." (AV-30) 2) Parama Purusa is timeless; Baba says, "The one formless, beginningless and infinite Parama Brahma (Supreme Consciousness) is the only entity to be attained by living beings – That alone is Jagat Guru (the Supreme preceptor), That alone has revealed Brahmavidya' (intuitional science) to us through the medium of the name and form of Anandamu'rtijii. Unit beings must be made to appreciate Its majesty." (CC-2) 3) Parama Purusa always resides in our heart; Baba says, " When you are established in devotion, you get Parama'tma' too. Then you will experience yourselves that Parama'tma' is seated in your heart, you will not have to go elsewhere in search of Him." (SS-19) 4) In addition, Baba has outlined all the needed celebrations in our Marga and in no place did He mention that mahaprayan should be celebrated. Rather He specifically warned against observing mahaprayan. Thus for any logic to be correct on the issue of mahaprayan, then it must be in keeping and consistent with Baba's above teachings. It must be in concert with apta vakya, i.e. the eternal truths as given by Baba. But the dogma of mahaprayan runs totally contrary to all of Baba's stated principles. The groupist mahaprayan celebration mandates that Baba is gone forever. That is their position. In contrast, in countless discourses Baba says that He is always with us. Both stands cannot be correct. Since Baba's every word is supreme truth and by definition apta vakya, then that must be accepted and any other logic discarded. In that case, all sincere Ananda Margiis will adhere to Baba's dharmic teachings and not listen to any other groupist logic in favour of observing the dogma of mahaprayan. Because the logic in favour of mahaprayan is just bogus logic guided by group and party interest, separate from the truth of universal welfare.
LOGIC LIKE MPD BASED ON SENSE PERCEPTION
Relative logic is based on sense perception: what one learns from the world using their eyes, nose, ears, tongue, and hands etc. This is by definition limited and mistake prone. Various groupists saw Baba with their crude eyes and then when their crude eyes could no longer see Baba, they declared that He is gone, and voila - mahaprayan. So their dogmatic logic of mahaprayan is based on their crude sense perception. So we should never get trapped by this materialistic approach. Day in and day out people are led in the wrong direction by sense perception. Baba says, "Whatever people say they “know” about an object is only their sense perception, and not real knowledge. And that sense perception remains unsubstantiated." (AMIWL-8) Those then who claim that Baba is gone and give their logic of mahaprayan are totally misguided, fooled and blinded by the limitations of their crude sense experience. Sadhakas of the Marga should instead rely on more subtle ways of knowing. Guided by intuition and devotion, such bhaktas can feel in their heart that Baba is there. In that case, how can one claim that He is gone. That is why no true Ananda Margii follows the dogma of mahaprayan. The dogma of mahaprayan(MPD) is nothing but the brainchild of dry groupists who got befooled by their own petty interest and limited sense experience. Such is their pathetic condition. And indeed when their logic for MPD is measured against the touchstone of divine truth and realisation, then very quickly their logic falls on its face and is proven totally false.
BOGUS LOGIC: MANY SUCH EXAMPLES
To get the truth, logic must be grounded in rationality, universal welfare and spiritual sentiment. Then that logic will lead one in the right direction. Unfortunately now in AMPS, each and every group has their own distinct logic, i.e. bogus logic. It is not just the B team that suffers from this syndrome with regards to the dogma of mahaprayan. All groupists give their phony logic based on narrow sentiments. 1. There are some who will give tons of logic how it was appropriate to change the by-laws in NY sector. Such persons are not guided by any welfare motive, but rather by their own group and greedy sentiment. 2. There are some who will detail with all kinds of logic how expulsion is a needed and proper tool for keeping our Marga clean. But such logicians are just guided by their personal desire for power etc. That is the basis of their bogus logic, not AM teachings. 3. And there are people who will justify all kinds of things: Fake Ananda Vaniis, scripture distortion, eradication of margii rights, fake BP manual etc. There is no end to their logic. But such logic is not correct and not in accordance with the dharma of AM. Their paltry views are just the outcome of group sentiment etc. In each and every case, on each and every issue, we have to see if a particular view is based on rationality and represents universal well-being, i.e. sarva jana hitaya. Then and only then can it be accepted as proper and true. Then that logic is beneficial. We should never be swayed by the logic of groupists. Theirs is just bogus logic and will not lead one along the path of welfare.
FATE OF GROUPISTS IS NOT GOOD
If a person ideates on Parama Purusa and takes His teachings to be true, then that sadhaka will merge in Him and be one with AM ideology, in thought, word, and deed. There will not be any difference. But if one gets glued to groupist logic, then one will stray far from the universal values of AM and become permanently plastered to their group. They will bind themselves to the dogmatic logic of group sentiment. That will be their miserable fate. And there will be no escape. No one should meet such an ugly destiny. The only way to save oneself is to wholly divorce oneself from the logic of all groupist policies like the dogma of mahaprayan and instead follow the great teachings of Parama Purusa in the form of AM ideology. Then one's position in life is safe and secure. Then one will float in His bliss, otherwise not.
BABA'S BLESSING
By Baba's grace He has given us perfect and pure teachings in all the realms of life. His ideology will lead us to the goal. One should keep all groupist logic - i.e. bogus logic - off to the side, or better yet in the trash bin. We should only follow His teachings, the ideology of Ananda Marga - the path of divine intuition. Baba says, "Logic is a psychic survey. Such a survey may or may not be correct, therefore it is futile to follow logic blindly... This psychic survey, embedded in relativity, may or may not be correct. Intuitional vision is the best logic. Intuitional vision should be your guiding ideology." (PNS-15) Namaskar, Satiish
Note 1: WHOSE LEGACY IS MORE DANGEROUS
It is worth taking a moment to compare the (mis)deeds of both Rudrananda and Sarvatmananda as it gives deep insight as to how to prevent our AM society from further harm. Essentially, Rudrananda is after power and he has done some nasty things - no doubt. But when his time on this earth expires, "Rudranandaism" will be gone. His negative legacy will be nil, i.e. not long lasting. Because he has only chased after post and power for himself and after his time on this earth that chase will be done, without any real lingering effects. Of course, here we are not wishing or waiting for anyone's expiration, rather our aim is their rectification. So the above is a mere analysis, nothing more. Then there is Sarvatmananda. In stark contrast, his actions will have a long(er) lasting effect and will probably stand for some time after his life terminates. Why? Because "Sarvatmanandaism" is focused on systemic manipulation of organisation and ideology, not just his personal lust for power. Sarvatmananda also has the goal of Bangalisation & WT superiority. To that end he has ruined the BP Manual, invented Fake Ananda Vaniis, founded the dogma of Mahaprayan, ruined countless Hindi and English discourses, invented expulsion as a weapon, eradicated the ACB, and indulged in countless other horrific activities. That is why Sarvatmananda's "legacy" will be far worse than that of Rudrananda. It will take time and effort to clean-up the mess made by Sarvatmananda whereas the dirt created by Rudrananda will get swept away at the time of his own death. That is the chief difference between the two.
On personal basis, I have no ill will against either of these Dadas, rather I think fondly of them as my elder brothers. Only my comments refer to the repercussions of their misdeeds. We should be cent-per-cent vigilant not to let anyone distort or change Baba's eternal guidelines. In this critical time, that is our main duty: To keep Guru's teachings in tact.

10 comments:

  1. "Note 2: WHOSE LEGACY IS MORE DANGEROUS" - is an Excellent analysis! Egar to know - do you have any idea when the death of "Rudrananda" will take place? Should I understand that Bangalistan is a brain child of "Swarvatmananda"!!! Baba have noting to do with Bangalisthan or Amra Bangali? Division and haterate in the organization by act of Rudrananda and his associates can be clean in a MINUTE!!!! yes I shoud agree you have the LOGIC.

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  2. Dear Jana jii,

    Did you not catch the writer's point. Sweeping systematic change (i.e. distortion of scripture, manipulating Guru's system etc) is far more destructive than merely chasing after power. I agree, Rudrananda has done much damage but that pales in comparison to those who did massive systemic distortions.

    Either you can understand this simple tenet, or you are in bed with B group in which case you will never understand.

    At least to save your own prestige you should at least say "I understand", even if in truth you do not.

    Ramaviira

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  3. I also look forward to giving Shraddha Ceremony to the "Senior" Margiis from the 60's and 70's initiations.

    To save my prestige I may even pretend that I'm sad, even if in truth I am not.

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  4. Dear Ramaviira,
    Thank you for trying to make me understand your perceptions once more. Yes "I understand" something else but not exactly the point of the topics.
    Do you want me to learn that only Bengali WTs or more specially Sarvatmananda did all the distortion and all other senior WTs who were present in EC or CEC and many other important committee were doing only their mediation so that nobody could do anything but divide the organization!!!!
    By compelling to break the organization, the legacy of distrust among the wts and margiis can not be heal in near future. You are suggesting that I am in the bed of B group. Yes I support them to some extent for their motive to work for Baba. At least they are doing some constructive works with their limited capacity. At least some Samaj movement is going on on the soil of Bengal. Baba gone to jail for PROUT. Where else the PROUT activity is going on?

    By the way, since there are all the cassetes of Baba's voice so, the distortion in the literature can be rectified at any time. As some of the margiis are pointing out the mistakes. So it can be and should be corrected. But how you can restored the distrust among the maargiis? Ask yourself - do all the WTs in B group (as you classified) are power mongers or evil in nature? Don't you have the suspicion in your deep heart about any common margii from the Bengal province?

    By the way, you did not respond corresponding my raise point but ask me to understand your points!!!

    With best regards,
    N K Jana

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  5. Baba

    Dear Janaji,

    Namaskar.

    1. Your point about division is well-taken. Breaking the org is not at all good and those like EC and Rudra who have done are to be condemned for their misdeeds.

    2. All those same people were Sarvatmananda's "yes men" earlier. They watched as he distorted Baba's teachings.

    3. Fixing the discourses is not joke. And Sarvatmananada is not releasing the discourses for this work to be done. Your "By the way..." statement is ridiculous. You act like it is a piece of cake and the guilty party should be praised to the heavens. What if a rapist attacked your daughter and then later donated 5 rupees to WWD, would you feel grateful towards him for his generosity. It is amazing to me how easily you got duped by Sarvatmananda's tactics. He may be good person or bad person, but his actions have had a hellish effect on both ideology and organisation. If you can at least admit this then I will feel you are a balanced sadhaka. If not, I will just think you are yet another groupist running around the neighborhood.

    4. Yes trust has been lost through the actions of so many wts in various groups. That is true and it will take time to heal.

    5. But when ideology and books are distorted - as Sarvatmananda did - then really there is nothing left. Personal clash and organisational disruption is one thing and all divisive forces need to be addressed with a strong hand, but manipulation ideology which is for the entire future of humanity is the work of another order of magnitude towards hell.

    Anyway, let us see how you reply, balanced or Pro-B group as usual.

    yours brotherly,
    Ranaviira

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  6. Namaskar dada Ranaviira,
    I have no fascination towards any single person - whether he may be Sarvatmananda or any other in our organization. It is Baba's mission. So you should point out the misdeeds in the past and present of any person to rectify the misdeeds in near future.

    But when people writes in such a way that there was only one man who did all the manipulations and distortions make me irritate by thinking about others WTs (whom you described as "yes men") action.

    I have no intention to defend Sarvatmananda. But I beg to differ on the conclusion that the haterate or divided organization (i.e. the act of Rudrananda , Nigamananda, Ramananda and many other culprits) can be erased so easily as brother Satiish mentioned.

    I was expecting a sentence from you or brother Satiish regarding Bangalisthan which brother Satiish mentioned in his post and I raised my question in my first post. You described that a question to clarify certain points in one's mind is ridiculous. But the fact is that till now none answered my points which suggesting me to believe that there is some anti-bengali sentiment is going under the mind of the writer and many other bloggers in this blog site. If this is true, then are they "balanced sadhakas"? Like many other projects of Baba, Bangalisthan is also one of them. So no margii have rites to raise a question about the Bangalisthan project. Yes one can make comments on the procedure of the movement. But only criticism will not help. If one criticize, s/he should suggest some alternatives also. Wish I could make my points to you.

    With best regards,
    N K Jana

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  7. Baba

    Namaskar,

    Thanks for the confirmation - indeed it is true I am in dialog with Sarvatmanandaji's attorney.

    Ok - so be it...

    (1) You should understand that Baba favors and supports all the samajas not just Bangalistan. All have their value and importance, that is why all the samaja songs of Prabhat Samgiita would raise the slogan of the samaj in which it was sung, not just Bangalistan.

    2) But in the name of their Bangalistan movement, they want all the monies and resources of entire globe and they want all to touch the feet of Bangal.

    That is not the spirit of the samaj movement and that is not Baba's working style.

    3) Not surprisingly you totally ducked the analogy of rapist and AM scriptures. Apparently you condone such misdeeds and are willing to overlook, either due to your blindness or ignorance.

    Question: Do you still practice sadhana?

    Even then you are my brother and on that level I have deep love for you.

    Respectfully,
    Ramaviira

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  8. Namaskar dada Ramaviira/Ranaviira,
    Thank you for reminding me to do my Sadhana. Though I am nither a great Yogi nor a Bhakta like you, but I try to sit for my sadhana twice a day regularly. But I think you will not be satisfied with my answer for your question.

    Today you seems to be a proud person - as your suspicion converted to a GRAND reality. And thanks for your generous love towards me. This will be my LAST post (due to my TIME constrain) on this issue - as I am not expecting any new input from you and I am feeling below the standard of you people.

    Till let me say the following:

    1. I never oppose to any other samaj movement. It is very satisfying to know that there are many people like you who are trying their best to organize or at least creating awareness of the samaj movement in your own samaj. What samaj are you working for? (I do not have any other intension, but to know where else there is some samaj movement is going on.)

    2. You suggested "they"- want to divert all the resource of the globe for Bangalisthan. I think your "they" means Sarvatmananda, Mantreswaranada and who else (because I do not know all of them as I joined marga only in 1998)? What were the action of the "yesmen" to prevent such wrong(?) decision. If you want my opinion (which, I am almost sure, you do not want or will not agree with) - awareness program for the samaj movement should have to be there where there is a magrii. But at the initial stage one has to be selective - where you want to start the movement, as we do not have enormous capacity in our hand. So the central committee (which is not a single man committee) has to decide where they want to give their effort.

    3. I(who am I to do so) never ask anyone to praise Sarvatmananda or discourage anyone to point out the distortion in AM literature. As I said in my earlier post it must have to corrected. I am very poor in history. So I do not remember/know who was publication secretary before 1998. But since 1998, I saw Bijoyananda dada as publication secretary. And I appreciate him for his sincerity and respect towards Baba's discourses. At that time he had no computer for his editing job. I saw him once how he was using a small cassette recorder to write/edit the discourses. Once he suggested me that he has to go through the article at least three/four times. And I know how difficult it is. I read completely my own Ph.D. thesis only once!!! I obliged myself to my thesis advisor to corrected the thesis and he read it trice. Moreover, I tried to edit once one article of Baba. So I know how difficult it is to edit a speech into writing. In many cases word by word editing will lead to no meaning. Or some times Baba himself corrected His sentences during His speech. So one has edit those sentences carefully. As it is a vast work so (in my view) mistakes will be there with probability one. So anyone who notice the mistakes should inform in written to the concern person. But regarding change in BP manual and in Charyacharya I blame all the central committee or the concern people (where Sarvatmananda is also one name). I never praise Sarvatmananda as during his time a man like Rudrananda came in to the center of power knowing his activity during emergency.

    I am tiered of writing now so I'll stop here. Wish I could be able to understand your points totally.

    With great regards,
    N K Jana

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  9. Dear Jana jii,

    Namaskar. I see you are a very sincere margii and that I respect. Period.

    Perhaps we are not going to see eye to eye on the issue - that is also fine.

    I feel in your heart you are true.

    I feel no malice toward either group - only I wish to see our AM ideology come to the fore.

    Our main difference lies in that you feel Rudrananda's groupist antics is more hurtful than Sarvatmananda's scheming.

    Ok, so we disagree.

    What I do want to bring to your attention regarding scriptural distortion is not the little tiny grammatical errors but rather the gross, intentional distortions such as the total deletion of the paragraph about margii rights from the AM Revolution discourse.

    In thqat vain there are numerous such mistakes, plus when Baba delivered DMC discourses in three languages, then most of the time they only translated the Bangla portion, and deleted the English and Hindi and Bhojpuri sections etc.

    Are you aware that still they are taking English discourses, translating them into Bangla and then retranslating them into English, instead of transcribing the original English.

    All done to put Bangla on top to satisfy their petty egos, not to make the discourses more clear, rather at the expense of the integrity of the discourse.

    Are you aware that in the 90's Sarvatmananda instituted the policy to write, "Translated from the Original Bengali" on the inside cover of each and every book, regardless whether Baba delivered those discourses in Bengali or not. If there was not massive protest, still he would be doing this.

    Are you aware that Sarvatmananda (yes his name is on the cover) created the Fake BP Manual (1997) with all kinds of crazy rules that go against Baba's original BP guidelines.

    And there are so many other things. But I think you can see that there is a distinct pattern.

    Now that I know you were initiated in '98, it is quite possible you are not aware of all such injustices.

    You never saw Sarvatmananda in Power. Believe me when I say there is a world of difference between a tyrant in power and a hypocrite out of power trying to dupe people into thinking that he should be in power.

    There are many, many AM-GLOBAL postings that will be helpful for you.

    By your expression and interest I can tell you are a very committed Ananda Margii and I hope you continue to read and comment.

    Respectfully yours.
    Ramaviira

    Here are some postings for your review:

    http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2009/09/get-ready-for-2010-election-fake-bp.html

    http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2009/09/who-gets-frustrated.html

    http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2009/09/proof-of-distortion-in-new-book-av-11.html

    http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2009/02/baba-is-talking-about-ananda-marga.html

    I can recommend others if you wish...

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  10. namaskar

    dear brothers and sisters thers is no doubt that BABA is parama purusa but when it comes to AMPS all these nasty things are going on but when we analyse we can see that language sentiment is not the summumbonum of this groupism the core is that of power and corruption i am not supporting the B group or the H group now other third front the thing is that everybody is doing BABAS work but they want credit for the same.
    ONCE BABA THREW A GLASS AGAINST A STONE THE GLASS REMAINED ALL THE SAME AND STONE BROKE INTO PIECES SO HE CAN DO ANYTHING AT ANYTIME LET US BE REGULAR IN OUR SADHANA AND BE FIRM IN 16 POINTS IT MAY BE U OR ME OR EVEN A SHEEP FROM WHOM HE CAN ESTABLISH HIS MISSION ALL THESE ARE NOTHING BUT HIS PLAY

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