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M.N. Roy was a Student of Baba

Date: Tue 13 Mar 2012 22:54:28
From: Lokesh J. Deva
Subject: M.N. Roy was a Student of Baba



Note: As we all know Baba is the Taraka Brahma and His teachings are wholly unique, original and perfect for humanity. Lately there has been discussion on email wherein someone made the accusation that Baba's teachings of neo-humanism were "borrowed" from M.N. Roy's writings. Obviously this is wholly incorrect and what follows below is a string of emails that neatly portray this truth: That all Baba's teachings are original and that M.N. Roy was in fact a student of Baba's.

The thread began when one person made the accusation:

"The original Prout policy borrowed from the Book “New Humanism” by M.N.Roy."

The original response to the above accusation was forwarded to the net by Deveshji and that letter is appended below.

Clearly though the one who levied such an accusation suffers from serious doubt about Guru. Because when Baba is the Sadguru who can think that Baba took ideas from M.N. Roy.

Those who suffer from the psychic disease of shaunka (doubt) they doubt everything, even who is their own biological father. They are suspicious of their biological mother that she is telling a lie; such persons ask their mother to substantiate her claim about who is their father.

The matter is quite simple.

It is quite obvious that since His childhood Baba was living in Jamalpur and Bengal and long before the creation of AM people used to meet Him. Just because there was no AM does not mean that He did nothing. If anyone thinks like this they are naive. In that pre-AM period so many came for guidance, among them MN Roy and Subhash also came to Baba.



The one making the false accusation that Baba's Prout teachings were borrowed or lifted from M.N. Roy is Dada Krstashivananda. Before saying more about this Dada, simply read Ac Bhaskarananda's comments directly following.


Dear Devesh,
Krtshivanand has gone out of mind and it is well known to margiis of Germany. He is also not a well versed person on Baba's philosophy. MN Roy learnt from Baba but later distorted Baba's Neo-Humanism in to Radical Humanism.

The theme of radical humanism is negative and that of NH is positive. According to  radical humanism faith in God stops man's effort of inquiry and so progress is also stopped. This argument is fallacious as it is faith that gives strength to inquire further. So there should not be any comparison with NH...



-----Original Message-----
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:44:51 +0100
Subject: Reply to Krtashivananda dada- MN Roy matter- Please Do Read
From: Devesh Kumar
To: ""

There is a lot of misunderstanding surrounding MN Roy and Baba. Some very confused persons seem to think that Baba got His ideas from MN Roy, such as the idea of neo-humanism. But nothing could be further from the truth.

Early on, before the creation of AMPS, both MN Roy and Subhash Chandra Bose came to Baba for spiritual initiation and regularly thereafter. They became His disciples. And there are accounts from those very close to Baba during the Jamalpur years wherein Baba explains that He was teaching both Subhash Chandra Bose and MN Roy about neo-humanism.

Indeed the very senior margii Sushil Dharji presents a very key account. As many may know Sushil Dhar took dictation regularly from Baba for 10 years. Sushilji worked in the railway office and took 1 hour dictation from Baba during lunchtime and he would also work with Baba outside of their office hours as well. Sushilji took dictation for Ananda Sutram
and worked with Baba on the final edits of the notes to His DMC discourses that were printed in Subhasita Samgraha parts 1 - 8. Those early DMC discourses were not recorded - rather disciples would take notes and then those notes would be correlated and reviewed with Baba before publishing them.

And it is this same Sushil Dhar who recounts an important a key interaction with Baba about His time with MN Roy.  And this shows that Baba was the teacher of MN Roy, not vice-versa.

As is commonly known, MN Roy published a famous book on humanism. And one time Sushil Jhar asked Baba about this. Sushil Dada was in the Jamalpur ashram taking dictation from Baba and Ramtanukji was also present.

Baba told him that soon He will give dictation on neo-humanism.

And Sushil ji asked Baba if that is different from MN Roy's teachings humanism. Sushilji asked that because at the time he was reading MN Roy's book.

Baba then recounted how He Himself told that topic of neo-humanism to MN Roy and that then there was no Prout so now there is a need to link neo-humanism with Prout.

Then Baba added, MN Roy could not keep connection. All this shows that Baba is the propounder of neo-humanism, not MN Roy.

Furthermore, in those earlier days two margiis - Ram Kumar and Vivekananda Singh would write and publish Baba's ideas in their own pen names and print their writings in Ananda Doota and certain Bangla magazines. This sets the precedent that people were writing about Baba's teachings in their own articles before Baba started writing and publishing His own AM books in His name. And indeed that is what MN Roy did. This also demonstrates that Baba was MN Roy's teacher and not the
other way around.

Plus there are so many other points which prove that Baba is the real Propounder of neo-humanism and that His teachings are entirely original.

By this entire account, it is obvious that Dada K has no truth in what he said. All his points are off the mark and concocted. Anyone even a little familiar with AM ideals will understand this.

"E ga'n a'ma'r jiivaner a'nandadha'ra'..."   (P.S. 4505)


 Baba, You are so gracious; Your divine song is the flow of my life. This song has been coming since eternity and will go on up to infinity. It is beginningless and endless. It goes on and on giving me strength to play my instrument - the ekta'ra' [1]. Baba, by this song, my pin-pointed mind is moving from beginninglessness up to infinity after getting inspiration from You.

 Baba, this very divine song will not bow down to any types of difficulties, obstacles or hindrances. This song does not hurt anyone's mental feeling. This song loves everyone; it helps everyone. Indeed this song satiates the heart and has infinite inspiration. This song is so divinely intoxicated that the mind becomes one with that most beautiful Entity-- Parama Purusa.

 Baba, this song never surrenders at the alter of crudity & dogma. This song never praises mortal beings. It nevers bows down to superficial things or materialistic values. Just it moves ahead along the path of Your perfect ideology. This song is full of divine effulgence. This song only accepts that singular Polestar; it accepts only His greatness, His glory.

Baba, by Your grace, this divine song of Prabhat Samgiita is the ocean of bliss. It saturates my whole being with that blissful, divine flow...


[1] Ekta'ra': Although it literally means a single string musical instrument, this term also symbolizes the grand idea how the sadhaka's mind is one-pointed towards Ista - Baba. Indeed no other ideas are coming in the sadhaka's mind. The devotee is completely focused on Baba's thoughts & His ideation. Baba, is the goal of life. In this way the Ekta'ra' term is moving.

Re: Baba Story: I am Not a Sinner

From: "Tapeshvar Deva"
Subject: Re: Baba Story: I am Not a Sinner
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:23:16 +0000



This was a very moving and beautiful Baba story. Here are a few points I would like to add:

1. In the below account, the margii sadhaka is purified of his past sins by Baba's punishment. The margii had committed some serious mistakes in the past and he was punished by Baba and completely cleansed of those sins.

2. Still today one is able to be purged of their sins by Baba's grace. Just we have to follow His system:

Baba says, "If an Ananda Margi violates the principles of Yama and Niyama, he/she will confess his/her fault to any ácárya/á and ask for punishment, on that day or on the day of the next dharmacakra." (Caryacarya, part 1, Self-Analysis)

Note: This is for normal type of misdeeds; and if one has committed a grave crime, then we have to refer to His guideline from His chapter titled, "Social Punishment." That teaching is appended below.

Baba clearly guides us that when one commits a sin then they are to ask for punishment. In accepting punishment and taking atonement, one gets purified of their sin. At that point, one should no longer harbor the false notion that they are a sinner. They are in the same situation as the margii sadhaka who was punished by Baba. They both are cleansed of their sins.

Even today one can be purified of their past sins, just like in that pre-1990 period when one was punished directly by Baba. Still Baba's grace is there and by following His system of punishment and atonement, one is cleared of their misdeeds. In that case, one should not consider themsleves as a sinner.

3. Finally, according to Baba's guideline, after seeking punishment and atoning for one's sins, then the general society too should no longer think of that person as a sinner.

Baba says, "Moreover, I do not think it good to criticize anyone behind their backs, saying, “Well, Mr. So-and-so may be leading a virtuous life now, but don’t you know, he was a terrible sinner in the past.” We must forget the past." (Ananda Vacanamrtam - 5, A Few of Tantra's Special Characteristics)

So Baba's mandate is very clear. That person who has taken punishment and rectified their behaviour should be looked upon by society in a positive manner. No one should call or treat that person as a bad man or sinner.

4. Around the globe, there are various nations where a person commits a crime and accepts punishment, yet even after going through a full process of rectification they are still labeled and treated as a criminal. But this is wrong. If they have completed their jail sentence and / or undergone all kinds of measures to rectify themselves, then that individual should be seen in a positive life and be granted good-standing in society.

Once again, thank you for posting the below Baba story - this holds great meaning for us all.



In the event that one commits a more serious crime then they will have to go through the tribunal and legal process outlined in Caryacarya:

Baba says, "If there is any allegation against the conduct of any Ananda Margi, it must be brought to the notice of the ácárya/á; and in the ácárya/á’s absence, to the notice of the other ácárya/á who has taken the responsibility of further guiding the accused Margi regarding spiritual practices. If the second ácárya/á is not easily available, the matter should be brought to the notice of the upabhukti pramukha or the general bhukti pradhána concerned. Then, within a week, these persons will form a tribunal consisting only of ácárya/ás to investigate the matter. If the allegation is proved true, the tribunal will decide the proper punishment for the accused." (Caryacarya - 1, Social Punishment)

On 03/11/2012 08:27 PM, AM-GLOBAL wrote:
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:23:43 -0700
From: Paramatman Deva
Subject: Baba Story: I am Not a Sinner


Note: The following is the first-hand account of Shrii Sudarshan Rao, an important margii of South India.

Baba graced me with the opportunity to have personal contact (PC). During PC, Baba pointed out my past sins and punished me on each account.

After that He blessed me and said, "From now onwards, look forward and forget about the past. Now you are pure."

The next day I had a strong desire to go to Baba's room and massage His feet. Those days, i.e. in the early 1960's in Jamalpur, it was not difficult to get permission to enter Baba's room. Family margiis had various opportunities, if one desired. I put forth my request to PA Dada and by Baba's grace it was approved.

I entered Baba's room and began massaging His feet. Then Baba started explaining about the different types of sinners: Patakii [sinner], atipatkiis [bad sinner] and mahapatakiis [worst sinner].

After telling about these three categories of sinners, Baba looked at me and asked, "Which category are you in?"

Instantaneously, at that very moment, one spontaneous idea sprouted in my mind. It was as if Baba was forcing the thought in my mind.

I replied, "Baba, I do not fall in any of these categories. I am not a sinner."

Baba smiled and laughed. He appreciated the response and said, "Yes, you are right; you are not a sinner."

That was eye-opening for me. Usually in life if people commit a sin - whether knowingly or unknowingly - they remember those misdeeds again and again. They cannot forget them. And that gives way to feelings of pain, shame and guilt. Indeed they feel guilty even after getting punished. But with Baba as the Guru it is not like that.

On the previous day Baba punished me and told me that, "From now onwards, look forward and forget about the past. Now you are pure."  And while this was all very new to me, internally I really did feel cleansed and pure. I understood that by coming in contact with Parama Purusa, one's sins vanish.

Baba gave me a new vision: I had made mistakes, I underwent punishment for those sins, and now I am pure, by His grace. There were no lingering stains.

Parama Purusa is most gracious.


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