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Heaven & Hell

To: Subject: Heaven & Hell Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:23:40 +0500 (IST) From: Ram Sahay Kulshresth BABA "Arupa ratan tumi priyo..." (P.S. #2571) Purport: O' Parama Purusa my dearmost, You are the formless jewel. Baba, You are smiling in the sky and You are floating in the air. O' Formless Jewel, it is my only request that You please make me Yours. Constantly without any pause I go on asking for Your karuna-- divine compassion. I do not have anyone except You. Everyone's fate is situated in You. Baba, please look towards me with Your gracious eyes. Baba, again and again I have taken birth on this earth. How many times I left this earth I cannot say-- it is beyond my capacity to say. Everything is residing in Your mind; because of that You are the most adorable One. O' Formless Jewel, Baba, You are my dearmost... Formless Jewel: When that formless Entity comes in the form of Taraka Brahma then in that unique expression He is the link between the world of form and formlessness. And He can bring sadhakas into that eternal abode-- divine stance of formlessness. Indeed by doing dhyana on Him, devotees attain moksa.
1-25 Bha'vah bha'va'tiitayoh setuh Ta'rakabrahma
Purport: The bridge between Nirgun'a Brahma and Sagun'a Brahma is called Ta'raka Brahma. (AS)
Namaskar, Since some time this was confusion in my mind. In so many discourses it is said that He is the controller of Hell. Many such teachings are there about this which have been cited in the note section. So when I read all these things then I got confused that, is there any hell? Because one hand Parama Purusa is the controller of earth, heaven, and hell. And yet, the opposite way has been written in Ananda Sutram. Which is as follows:
2-20 Na svargo na rasa'talah
"Purport: There exists no such thing as heaven or hell. When a person does a virtuous act or enjoys the fruits thereof, the environment around him is then called heaven; and when he does an evil act and endures the consequences thereof, then the environment around that person becomes a hell for him." (AS, Sutra 2-20) So on one side there is the teaching that there is heaven and hell, and on the other side there is another teaching - that there is no heaven or hell. It was quite confusing for me.
I myself was thinking that it cannot be because Baba is Parama Purusa and He always tells the perfect truth and He is beyond time, place, and person. And He is the controller of everything so it cannot be contradictory. Indeed AM shastra is such a deep thing that it needs explanation. That is why in Namah Shiva'ya Shantaya book, Baba tells that scriptures should be well-explained. So due to my shallow understanding I am confirming with others. This is the confusing point; such confusion can come to any ordinary person. Because in Sanskrit one word can have many meanings. And the second point is that scripture is written in a very concise manner. So in that way people may not understand properly.
Thinking all these things, I reached to a senior family kapalika acarya. And I placed my question. And he replied that, 'Baba's discourses are very deep. To understand you have to go more deeply. And then you will find that what Baba has written that is apta vakya, perfect. There is no question of any contradiction.' On the point of heaven and hell, here the Family Acarya's reply was very simple. He told that, 'Read this discourse of 7th April '79, Patna. The point will be very clear.' And he also began to explain as follows. We all have human mind and with that comes a dark side and a good side. When people are moving more towards spirituality that is the brighter side and when attracted with that those negative propensities that is the darker portion. And in that dark side there are seven lower-most stages. And there are some persons who are so degenerated that they are doing robbery and cheating others day and night. And if confronted about that they have all sorts of justifications. And they will say that 'this is the way; everybody is doing like this; so accordingly I am doing the same'. So their mind is very low-- they do not understand. So this is all associated with that lower side. And on the other side there are people who have very good minds. And day and night they are working for the service and welfare of one and all. And they are dedicated to pleasing Parama Purusa and they working for the upliftment of all. So such persons are established on the wave of brightness. Thus they are in the divine world. So this entire description of heaven and hell is totally dependent on one's state of mind and dealing and it is not a physical place. Accordingly, then hell is not a particular place. but a state of mind where it is surrounded by avidya maya.
Baba says, "Asuriya nam...Narak is the loka of the dark world. That means, the effulgence of the sun does not reach there. It is always surrounded with cimmerian darkness. Darkness is so deep, that human beings cannot see themselves. Such a deep darkness is called "anda tamisra'". Where a human being cannot see oneself, or others. Is this a type of hell? Yes, where there is no effulgence, those who are covered by cimmerian darkness. Those who do not do spiritual practice, those who do not do sadhana, they move towards this loka of cimmerian darkness -- rasatala, hell." "Uta means hell. In the hell, there are seven layers: Tala, atala, vital, tala'tala, pa'ta'la, atipa'ta'la, and rasa'tala. Same way, in the world of effulgence, nectar, there are seven layers - bhuhloka, bhuvahloka, svahloka, mahahloka, janahloka, tapahloka, satyaloka. Parama Purusa is the controller of these two worlds, heaven and hell. You must not forget that all these seven lokas which are the underworld, of hell, or these higher lokas which are the world of effulgence, they are not any particular place. They are different stages of mind." (AV-9 (H)) So here Baba tells that regarding hell you will not find any particular place which is like the earth or moon or mars. In another discourse Baba makes it very clear, that hell is a status of mind. Baba says, "Those human beings who do not do sadhana for their spiritual development, they are sure to get degenerated. Because in this universe, nothing is immobile. Whether one likes it or not, one has to move. So those who are not doing the sadhana of moving upward, they will not remain where they are. Rather they will fall down. Because, they will have to move. If one does not go up, then one has to go down. There are seven layers of the mind, towards the downwards direction also. -Tala, atala, vital, tala'tala, pa'ta'la, atipa'ta'la, and rasa'tala. Those human beings who are crude minded, reach in hell-- rasa'tala. That is the lower-most stage. Such a human being is not human. He is not animal also. The stage of such a person, is lower than animal..." "When human beings get completely degenerated, then they create logic and reasoning in the favor of their sinful deeds. So you think carefully. That is the stage of cimmerian darkness where human beings cannot see their own hand. Because they are surrounded by anda tamisra', lower most of lower lokas, rasa'tala. This is the path of degeneration." (AV-24 Hindi, p.167) And here Baba further describes that stage of degeneration. Baba says, "Those who have human body but their deeds are not humane, what is their stage? Their body is in bhurloka, but their mind is far lower than bhurloka. After such demise they not got get human form. Instead they will be crudified a become like wood, bricks, and stone. These are all truth-- logical things. But the tales of heaven and hell, vahista-dozalokha is just gossip talk." (AV--19, Hindi, p.12) After reading this, the whole point is very clear. That, these worlds heaven and hell, have no physical existence. It is a stage of mind. When one does sadhana and feels the proximity of Parama Purusa Baba, then one is in the higher world. And when mind is degenerated, selfish, crude, engaged in heinous, sinful activities, then they are a creature of hell. So it takes a deep and dharmic mind to understand that meaning and spirit of Baba's divine teachings. Namaskar, Ram
In the following quotes, Baba talks in such a way about hell that people may easily confuse that hell is one physical place. Baba says, "U'ta'mrtasyesha'no: He is not only the Lord of heaven, He is the Lord of hell also. U'ta' means hell. So even a sinner of hell should not become mentally disturbed because the Lord of hell is with him." (SS-11, p.51) Baba says, "The loving inspiration of Shiva made those mute people eloquent, and they proclaimed with a sweet smile on their faces, Hararme pita' Gaorii ma'ta' svadeshah bhuvanatrayam ["Shiva is my father, Pa'rvatii is my mother, and the three worlds of earth, heaven and hell are my native land"]. (NSS, p.233 '85 Ed.)
Baba says, "Shiva's household is the three worlds." Hararme pita' Gaorii ma'ta' svadesho bhuvanatrayam. [Hara is my father, Gaorii is my mother, and the three worlds of earth, heaven and hell are my native land.] " (DT-1, p.173)
And here Baba's use of 'hell' is to refer to a mental state can be likened to these following examples: Similarly if when talking about someone you say 'That person is negative'. It does not mean if you bring a north pole magnet near him it will attract. Because, your meaning is not about his physical body, but rather that his mind is negative. Or if you say 'That person is crude', it does not mean that if you touch him or bring a hammer to his body, his body will be like stone. Because your sense refers not to his body, but to his mind which is crude. Or if you say, 'He is soft'. It does not mean that person's body his soft. But rather, that his mind is soft. And for example if you say, in discussing someone's dogmatic view on something 'That fellow is blind'. Then by that you mean not that the person is physically blind. But rather, that he is mentally blind and does not have a sense of discrimination. So the above descriptions, although they use physical type language, but they refer to a person's state of mind. And not their physical existence. Similarly, as Baba explains that hell is a state of mind. It is not something physical. But rather, it is a mental state.
Baba says, "Svahloka means manomaya kosa. The feeling of pleasure and pain happens in this loka. Svah + ga = svarga. Svaloka is the subtle mind. And manomaya kosa means mental state." (AV-19, p.10)
In the common Marga society sometimes we come across a few persons who think that Baba is contradictory. But their devotion is low and they do not understand and instead of accepting their own foolishness and ignorance they talk like that-- accusing Baba. But those who have a certain understanding about Baba, such persons realise that this is all just toughness of the scriptures.
Here is an example where people foolishly blame Baba for being self-contradictory. They say, 'Just see SS-4, discourse-2, "Matter and Spirit", and another discourse in MNS, "Matter and Abstract". In the first discourse, Baba talks that matter is bottled up energy. And in the second discourse, Baba talks that matter is not bottled up energy.' About matter is bottled up energy, the Family Acarya told that both the discourses are 100% correct. If anybody those who are not overpowered by vanity, easily they will understand. And he made me understand. I do not have time to explain all those things, but anyone can read both the discourses and they will understand. That the same Ananda Marga philosophy, Baba is explaining in two ways.
Baba has explained this very point, that the scriptures are not easy to understand. Baba further tells that people easily confuse the scriptures, especially when unqualified persons are acting as the scriptural interpreters. Here below Baba explains this point. Baba says, "I have already said that there are various types of scripture pertaining to the different spheres of life, and in the scriptures, too, the ideas are presented in a few words. In very few cases only are they elaborated. To present dharma sha'stra [spiritual scriptures], dharma guru [spiritual preceptor], darshana sha'stra [philosophical treatises], darshana pravakta' [propounder of philosophy], sama'ja sha'stra [social code], sama'ja neta [social leaders] and sama'ja a'darsha [social ideals] in the proper perspective is the main purpose of sha'stra vya'khya'na. Without proper interpretation, the sha'stras remain difficult to understand and sometimes unintelligible. Thus the scriptures should always be interpreted by qualified scholars, competent philosophers, and penetrating thinkers. If one tries to interpret a profound scripture with superficial knowledge, the interpreter appears ridiculous and the audience is confused." "There are some people who are neither scholars, nor philosophers, nor penetrating thinkers, but merely wander about interpreting scriptures as a means of livelihood. They utterly fail to present the proper matter in the correct perspective before the audience. Such people may be successful in earning a living in the name of sha'stra vya'khya'na, but they do more harm than good to the society." "There are still others who interpret the scriptures just to exhibit their intellect -- to procure for themselves a certificate of erudition. They too remain far from the living spirit of the scriptures." (NSS, p.202 '95 Ed)
******************************************** Need of the Day
Baba says, "The newly awakened humanity of today is anxious to herald the advent of one universal society under the vast blue sky. The noble and righteous persons of all countries, bound by fraternal ties, are eager to assert in one voice, with one mind, and in the same tune that human society is one and indivisible." (AFPS, pt 2 p.25) Note: Nowadays in our Marga society, a few are forgetting this truth. They should understand that this is not in the favour of dharma. Rather the call of dharma is to form one human society.

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