Re: Goenka: I Have No Interest in Revolutionary Marriages

Date: 19 Jun 2011 09:19:25 -0000
From: "Manoj Deva"
To: am-global@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Goenka: I Have No Interest in Revolutionary Marriages

Baba

== RE: GOENKA: I HAVE NO INTEREST IN REVOLUTIONARY MARRIAGES ==

Note: This entire letter has been attached as a PDF file. So if anyone is unable to read the Hindi font portion of this email, they can reference the attached file.

Namaskar,

Yes I fully support this letter. It is astonishing that someone given top prizes and high stature in AM is at the same time a firm believe in the dogma of casteism. The position of the Goenka / Agarwal clan is untenable.

As Baba says in the following quotes: Be aware of such hypocrites who outwardly brag about their greatness in AM yet internally eat, breathe and sleep in the dungeon of casteism.

These people are that type of stone that resides in the bottom of the river - always immersed in water - but could never get drenched. Those stones are dry as a bone inside. Similarly, such persons lived with Baba under the banner of Ananda Marga, but they could not soak up those teachings, instead their minds remained as dark as a dungeon.

Nobody gets inspiration from the conduct of such persons. The straight-forward  approach is to follow silent action with these people until they mend their ways.

Indeed, I am quite outraged by this entire episode of Goenka casteism & elitism. If an ordinary or new margii were to do like this then I could ignore the matter. But when a senior margii is following the Hindu caste dogma, then that is appalling.

Please review these following quotes from Baba and see how He strongly opposes this dirty dogma of casteism. The transcription of the original Hindi is noted below for your reference.

Respectfully,
Manoj Deva

QUOTES FROM BABA ON CASTEISM:

ONE CANNOT BELIEVE IN BOTH CASTEISM AND PARAMA PURUSA

Baba says, "Everyone on this earth is a child of Parama Puruśa; no one is big or small. All are related as brothers and sisters. As far as castes are concerned, no one is high or low. How can the children of the same Father be of five hundred different castes? All people are of the same caste. Everyone is by birth of the same caste as their father. So keep away from those who discriminate in terms of caste; keep far from the reach of their noose. Why? Because those who believe in caste, do not believe in Parama Puruśa. If five people are of five different castes, then what is the caste of Parama Puruśa? Can He be of five castes? No, that is not possible. So bear in mind that those who believe in caste, do not have genuine belief in the Supreme Father. How can people of five hundred castes have one and the same father? So I say those who believe in caste, do not believe in the Supreme Father, and those who believe in the Supreme Father do not believe in caste." (Discourses on Krśńa and the Giita, "Mucyate Bhavabandhanát"; First Published in Ananda Vacanamrtam - 16 (Hindi))

(Note: Although the above English translation has been approved by Publications Dept and printed in the book Discourses on Krśńa and the Giita, the translation is a bit sloppy. There are various terms like "earth", "birth" etc which Baba did not say yet which appear in the above translation.)

For your ease and convenience, here is another translation for your review.

Baba says, "Indeed, everyone is brother and sister. No one can is of high or low caste. Can the children of one father be of five hundred different castes? Everyone is of one caste; the caste of the father is the caste of all the children. Beware of those who believe in the dogma of casteism. Do not get trapped in their ways. Why? Because those who believe in the dogma of casteism, they do not have any reverence for the Supreme Father."

[Ma'rgiis-- "Baba, Baba, Baba!!"]

"Because, if five people are of five different castes, and their father is Parama Purus'a, then what is the caste of Parama Purusa? Will He be of five castes? Never. So remember, those who follow casteism, do not believe in the Lord. How can five hundred people of various caste, all have the same Father? It means they do not believe in Parama Purus'a. In contrast, those who believe in Parama Purus'a as the Supreme Father do not follow caste dogma." (summary of the below Hindi)

सब तो भाई-भाई हैं | कोई ऊँच जात, कोई नीच जात तो नहीं हो सकते हैं | एक बाप के बेटे, क्या पाँच सौ जाति के हो सकते हैं ? सब एक जात के हैं | बाप का जो जात बेटों का वही जात | जात-पाँति जो करते हैं, उनसे दूर रहो | उनके चङ्गुल से दूर रहो | क्यों ? न, जो जात-पाँति मानते हैं, वे परमपिता को नहीं मानते हैं | 

[मार्गी लोग---"बाबा, बाबा, बाबा !"]

क्योंकि, पाँच आदमी अगर पाँच जात हुआ, तो उनके पिता परमपुरुष, उनका जात तब क्या होगा ? क्या वे पाँच जात के होंगे ? सो तो नहीं | तो, जो मनुष्य याद रखोगे जात-पाँति मानते हैं, वे परमपिता को नहीं मानते हैं | क्योंकि पाँच सौ जातिवाले मनुष्य के एक पिता कैसे हो सकते हैं | इसलिए परमपिता को नहीं मानते हैं | और, जो परमपिता को मानते हैं, वे जात-पाँति नहीं मानते हैं | 

मुच्यते भव बन्धनात्‌

Mucyate Bhava Bandhana't
10/31/79 Kullu
(Published: Ananda Vacanamrtam Part 16, Chapter 03)


Here below is another of one of Baba's teachings on caste dogma wherein He claims one cannot be both an adherent of caste dogma as well as a believer in Parama Purusa.

Baba says, "There is one Supreme Father for every living being. So there should not be any feeling of high and low between humans. So many times I have told you that those who believe in the caste system do not believe in Parama Purusa. Why? The sons of one father cannot be of many castes. Those who believe in caste dogma disregard Parama Purusa. Those who believe in the Cosmic Father will never surrender at the alter of caste dogma. Follow one ideal. You cannot keep your feet in two separate boats. Either believe in Parama Purusa or believe in the dogma of casteism. It is impossible to believe in both. A stone vessel is by definition made of stone. "A stone vessel made of gold" is a utopian idea; it is totally impractical. A stone vessel can never be made of gold. Similarly, supporting both Parama Purus'a and casteism is an impossibilty. Humans will have to tread on only one path. (summary of the below Hindi)

हर जीव के पिता एक परमपुरुष हैं | इसलिए मनुष्य में उच्च-नीच का भेदभाव रहना नहीं चाहिए | कई बार मैं कह चुका हूँ कि जो मनुष्य जात-पाँति मानते हैं, परमपुरुष को वे नहीं मानते हैं | क्यों ? न, एक पिता के पुत्त्रों का अनेक जात नहीं हो सकता है | और, जात-पाँति माननेवाले परमपिता को नहीं मानते हैं | और, परमपिता को माननेवाले जात-पाँति नहीं मान सकते हैं | एक को रखना है जी | दो नाव पर चलने से नहीं चलेगा | अगर जीना है, अगर आगे बढ़ना है, तो एक नाव पर चढ़ना है | Either परमपुरुष को मानो, या जात-पाँति मानो | दोनों मानोगे, नहीं हो सकता है | पथरौटी पत्थर की होती है, सोने की पथरौटी नहीं हो सकती है | तो, मनुष्य को एक ही राह पर रहना चाहिए |

आध्यात्मिक साधना के साथ मानसिक स्तर का सम्पर्क

A'dhya'tmika Sa'dhana' ke Sa'th Ma'nasika Star ka' Samparka
6/27/80 Saharsa
(Published: Subhasita Samgraha, part 14, Chapter 09)

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